As you stated King, there's really nothing we know of the Primal Monitor, so Beyonder wins by feats alone. Round 1: Beyonder Vs ZRound 2: Beyonder Vs Kami TenchiRound 3: Beyonder Vs Truth (FMA). DC hasn't even created beings on his level, because they realize that something that powerful. Forum Posts. And to the other people bringing up TOAA, he is basically The. @Pr_Beyonder: LT could very well beat Lucifer. Impossibly powerful and unimaginably wise, the Living Trinity's power far outclasses beings like Thanos, Galactus, and the Celestials!. he is immensely powerful since he can wipe out anyone easily but still below TOAA. I really can't be asked to go. Originally there was a purpose behind the Beyonder. 10 years ago. So in actuality: Beyonder = PM. Divine Creator 3. Which is power explicitly above the Beyonder. Beyonder is beyond the universe. 6th. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. The TOAA and Presence will beat Beyonder but if you look at my first post. the fulcrum vs astral regulator thanos vs pre retcon beyonder. SCP 3812. "NO beyonder is not on TOaa level lol "Yes, I am afraid he is. Same goes for Jean's human parents. Probably thanos as he seemed to. TOAA vs Beyonder TOAA: Retcon biyotch. Here is a scan where he states even he was shaped by external forces and he couldn't defeat the Great Evil Beast" camp and the "Yeah-huh, that scan is inconclusive as he could be referring to the writers and since the GEB was his other half, it might be just. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. Featherine should be comparable to PR Beyonder or EGD, but she isn't beating TOAA. During PR Beyonder's time, the idea of TOAA had never been established. The Beyonder (pre-retcon) vs The Great Darkness (dark crisis) The most powerful antagonist Marvel ever created vs the latest and greatest existential threat in DC. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. In his few appearances, he took the appearance of Jack Kirby. toaa can do whatever he wants to do with beyonder. Jul 30, 2018. 4 years ago. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. No prep for either. That being said TOAA indeed seems to be the sovereign of Marvel. Ervin_Pepper • 8 yr. on the other hand Lucifer said to be half of the presence power so infinity divide by 2= infinite. and yes, its the. Follow 16580. One Universe of a difference. Juggernaut ToAA and Phoenix they are played out and over-hyped. 13 / 10. ago. Beyonder: Sonuva. to win. Beyonder. Kuuko273. PR Beyonder vs TOAA would be a stalemate. 1. Otherwise he gets stopped by the big guns of Marvel who are multiversal++ like TOAA, The Beyonders (the race), The Fulcrum, Tiamut, Protege, PR Beyonder, PR Molecule Man, Scathan, The Living Tribunal, Heart of the Universe Thanos, etc. Beyonder 39%. Pre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. That's something more powerful than the Beyonder. . Spectre is backed by the Presence, he regularly gets owned by lesser beings. If this is The Presence with GEB inside him,his fight against TOAA will be stalemate and Beyonder is beyond anyone (besides TOAA and fully power The Presence),even The Primal Monitor. So you just put Anti-Monitor against the guy. Juntai. Beyonder - vs - The One-Above-All # 54. The Beyonder's existence is singular in the sense that he doesn't exist in any alternate realities. . Toba Hulk 7. Follow 1. Marvel team : Pre-Retcon Molecule Man, The Beyonder & Living Tribunal. Poll Current Lucifer Morningstar vs. The one above all beyond everything even beyonder realms. He is the most powerful being in the Marvel Multiverse. The Beyonder is so beyond that, it is ridiculous. I've heard TOAA is no longer omnipotent due to a new plot development, so you might be able to throw him at Featherine and see what happens. While still a child, the older Beyonders began their grand experiment where they. 2. However, just like DC, Marvel doesn't get super into the whole infinite universes within infinite universes stuff like Umineko does, so he might end up getting stomped too. ". His. and he isn't omniscience. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. Vs Battles Wiki knows should be taken with a bucketload of salt, that said. Ahl God Of Superheroes. Pre retcon beyonder was the closest to TOAA I think any being has come to. Even his counterpart, The One Below All, is actually an alter-ego of himself, not a separate entity. I mean they give birth to he and his powers. This is a simple fight. Max Deen. They can literally do whatever they want. Not even beyonder is that powerful. The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. Beyonder is nigh omnipotent so he wins. They were both supreme powers above the LT. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. TOAA in fact survived. In almost every category – barring the Pre-Retconned Beyonder, where he was the one envisioned to be the prime deity of Marvel Comics – TOAA trumps the Beyonder, and it’s not even close. 13 years agoEdit: Looking at the respect threads PR Beyonder actually seems a lot more impressive, and it seems my point regarding Lucifer being half the Presence was wrong. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. . Living Tribunal cannot and has never once, not ever, enacted beyond universal destructive capabilities without the concent of TOAA. He. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. @bballaag: No, even pre retcon beyonder cannot defeat The Presence or even TOAA. Juntai. The Superhero Database Classification number, or SHDB Class, is a number that represents the overall 'power' of a character. TOAA (Shooter/Milgrom) in 85' created Beyonder to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. - Funny thing is they also showed a scan of being Omnipotent. Spectre probably. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. I'm well aware that Beyonder is much more powerful than LT. #3 Edited By Jmarshmallow. And yeah he stomps. beyonder was easily destroying multi verses. TOAA was the only true Omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent being and would. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. Or actually had the power of God or the Source in DC. The point of the whole story is that Beyonder explicitly turns himself into a human flesh form that is capable of experiencing all of the joys and sorrows that come. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. Lord Of Shambala 5. The One Above All | MCOC | TOAA VS THE BEYONDER | Special Attacks and Moves | Keanu Reeves in MARVEL Nick Coss 24. The Heart of the Universe makes this rather one sided. Goku dying of old age is a valid win condition for Darwin or vice versa if that can happen. 7 K. Superhero Battle match: Beyonder versus The Presence. Yes, TOAA is the only true omnipotent being in Marvel - however the WPotC is now the creator, judge, jury, executioner and destroyer of the multiverse. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. There's no way to be better than that, regardless of what Suggsverse tells you. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. The Beyonders are powerful, but ultimately still finite. TOAA > PM Grant Morrison avatar from Animal Man #26 = TOAA Its not a rip-off if the later one is better written. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. Beyonder came into the story as a result from one of Molecule Man's experiments gone wrong, right, he did not exist before that and his appearence was the. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. This is a really difficult fight to answer, because neither have shown any feats that the other wouldn’t theoretically be capable of. He had to use a large portion of his power to even effect concepts and was effected by physical attacks. The Living Tribunal is TOAA's right-hand cosmic entity. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. With the tumor, Hajun has an Taiyoku level of Infinity . The comics have so many meta layers, and TOAA is at the top, so he should scale above Buddha Wukong. Phoenixblue. It is like TOAA vs Beyonder. Also was TOAA until he got bored Haven't seen anything to suggest this new one can come close 1 year agoAbout Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. . Goku (dragonball) vs Darwin (marvel comics) Comics version of Darwin not movie. CsmicRanker1314 1. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. the Beyonder was the supreme being of the Marvel Universe before the introduction of TOAA or Oblivion. This is like putting TOAA against an ant. " No actually there have been 3 different incarnations of the Beyonder with 3 different power levels. Beyonder on the other hand, pre retcon at least, is a million times more powerful than the entire of Marvel combined. ago. Team Beyoder: Living Tribunal. The first 3 scans are 4th wall breaking/meta fiction for beyonder. 2. Suggested by: #scarletking #theoneaboveall #toaaTOAA has no authority on Beyonder, nonetheless, Beyonder was the Supreme Being in the Universe of the Beyonders. 3080. Thus he is more more powerful than Fulcrum who may or may not be associated with TOAA. bunker_man • 2 mo. 1. 2. #1 Edited By TheSuperor. Dem nah, There's toaa, pre retcon beyonder, toba,and true form oblivion as obvious choices but there's actually alot more. Two deities would acknowledge each other and move on. 2. u/nullfather can attest to that. Glory stomps. The One-Above-All is Omnipotent (All Powerful), Omniscient (All Knowing), and Omnipresent (Everywhere). The Glory is an infinite-dimensional temporal construct that holds the infinite dimensional multiverse in Doctor Who together. Pre retcon Beyonder was literally TOAA level. But the Beyonder can destroy universal conceptual beings (as seen above when he kills death itself). Oldfather 18. Dormammu said: Beyonder outclasses her heavily, Featherine would be a better match. Pre-retcon Beyonder was insanely overpowered, and even though subsequent balance adjustments severely nerfed his powers, he still kept his insane reality-altering incalculable strength and much of his superhuman physique. His main motivation was to learn more about good and evil. The power of the Life Force is a direct powerup from TOAA. No one is that powerful. They are god of their own comics. Normal beyonder loses terribly 13 years ago. . show 6 replies. the Living Tribunal on the other hand is (depends on the current storyline) only defeated by Thanos with Hotu (which is basically TOAA) for a short time and by the pre-retcon Beyonder, who is a different chapter. Thanos w HOTU and PR BeyonderVSLTWhite Crown of PhoenixEternityZero-Hour ParallaxObvilianDeathAdam Warlock w IGAbraxasGalactus with the Ultimate NuffiThe PM is basically a rip off of what classic Beyonder was. Kitsunw. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. Bob, Agent of Hydra vs TOAA. Follow 15315. Beyonders killed LT and destroyed countless universes. He's the literal definition of Outerverse, as he restored the entire MU after the HOTU-Thanos event. Victory by permanent death or erasure. there are many verse bigger and stronger than marvel like DC. You need to be logged in to post comments. Marvel had two God's, then changed to One Above. #28 ovy7. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. By Kevin Irizarry Updated Mar 28, 2023 The Beyonder and the One-Above-All are godlike beings in the Marvel Universe, but one is definitely a more supreme being. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. While Beyonder has the power of Marvel writers. The One Above All has no equal. Jayfournines. Forum Posts. "The Beyond" was quintillions of times more massive than the Marvel Universe. That said, TOAA and The Presence are both omnipotent, so neither one of them can actually defeat the other, but at the same time they can both defeat the other, but the other can undo the other, while the other undoes the other's undoing just before the other defeats the other by removing the other except the other removes the other while. The Two fight in the beyond realm. The-One-Above-All is the supreme creator of all existence in the Marvel omniverse and is. than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. " Like it could be as simple as that if the writer really wanted to. Darwin is able to limitlessly adapt to survive certain death situations. Look stuff up for it. You cannot write a more powerful character than him without transforming from a character to a plot device. The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents. #12 Edited By Montaq. TOAA is the creator of the multiverse and everyone and everything in it, including the Beyonders. In the end Jim was a single employee within the company, his actions were- under review by his superiors. TOAA would be above Spawn, according to Marvel's hierarchy. The One Above All (TOAA) is supposed to represent the writers of Marvel. TOAA have failed. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. Situation 1: Stalemate, because of the bizarre power levels. TOAA is a god for gods. Because I always thought we put the Presence on the level of TOAA, the supreme being from the Marvel Multiverse, but that Soul-Glo Jumpsuit Donny Osmond was above. If Pre-Recton Beyonder and TOAA ever faught, it would end in a stalemate. PR Beyonder is probably the strongest comic character there is if you go by feats alone and not by hype. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. A resisting Beyonder isn't stronger than a non-resisting TOAA, because the TOAA can do anything he wants so he never has to resist anything happening to him (I hope that makes sense)Quacken_ 6 mo 6 d. The Infinity Gauntlet's range is only the universe and time and space inside the universe. INB4 LOCK. The One Above All (Marvel Comics) + The Presence (DC Comics) CONDITIONS: Versions: Strongest known canon versions. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @King Saturn: Chuck worships GOAG not TOAA All thought he maybe reffered to as TOAA and is the true OAA " TOAA can be referred to as the GOAG though. Reply. TOAA also has some plot manipulation and reality warping feats. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. The PR Beyonder was defined as a multiverse composed of literally everything outside of that, and that existence shared a single consciousness. 3812 transcends them TOAA and The Presence unless you go by ThEy aRe OmNiPoTeNt, Omnipotence and. If we assume the latter, then Deku and Bakugo would get destroyed by him and TOAA. I get that TOAA not intervening in the Time Runs Out/Secret Wars saga makes it difficult to confirm but, honestly, TOAA can just remove and recreate the omniverse (as implied in Marvel: The End. 9 years ago. Marvel is a pretty strong verse, but is there anyone who can beat it? Even with a VS as wide ranging as battling the whole Marvel-verse, it still helps to get some specifics nailed down in the OP. Battles. That's the reason because the Choushin suspected all the time that a being higher than them existed. Pre-Retcon Beyonder, along with all other supreme deities in comics (Presence, TOAA, MoM, Thanos with HOTU, etc. " Current beyonder wins, But lets get this straight: This Kami dude, he is not equivelent to TOAA. 1. 9 years ago mysticmedivh'The Beyonder operates on levels unimaginable to me. Pre-retcon Beyonder is beyond all that. Beyonder would just toy with the Spectre. Beyonder is not omnipotent since he couldn't bring death back. I agree that Gan is Omnipotent and Beyonder gets stomped. Yeah All Mighty Wins. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. BTW, even when Beyonder killed Death. Round 1: Post-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Venom (The End) Archived post. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. Hajun, if not Beyonder. Requiring no energies to sustain him as Galactus does, Oblivion can choose not to be affected by the mortal plane if he doesn't want to be, a feat that few - including Galactus - cannot claim. PR Beyonder > TOAA and all His/Its Omniverse Beyonder may have been from outside the Marvel multiverse, however he is still a Marvel property and would come under the jurisdiction of Marvels supreme being. #1 Edited By Nighthunter. He's a monster that made Multiversal galactus that stomped master order and lord chaos look like little brats. PR Beyonder is on par with TOAA but people tend to. Featherine. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. the fulcrum vs astral regulator thanos vs pre retcon beyonder. 493. The latter is one of the few fights that's actually 10/10, as in there is no conceivable way for Dr. What they dream up with goes. Scp 3812 vs Anos vs Featherine vs Hajun vs Yogiri vs Golden Wondie vs Superboy Prime vs pre retcon Beyonder vs Sotha Sil. To them human concepts of time, probabilities, dimensions, cause-and-effect, life, death,. Michael Demiurgos vs Classic Beyonder. " im sick of Beyonder. Bugs would take down the Beyonder easily, he'd just rewrite reality so that the Beyonder was a turtle. dunno where they went other than TOAA clapped his hands and they were gone. Sailor moon vs The Beyonder , i love that one , LOL! The Spectre vs Bloom (winx club)@DC_Marvel_1000: lol. I think HOI vision, GOS loki, GOP thor all beat astral regulator Thanos (arguments can show that gop and gos neg thanos) that's only to name a few, I'm sure there's more specially since u included non cannon. -5. But I just posted in death vs TOAA thread about DC cosmology. Not sure why this thread was even made Are you talking multiple pre retcon beyonders Or multiple current beyonders ( meaning the ones who killed TLT) Because this has already played out before Dr room stole their power but only with the help of molecule man and he's the one who held on to most ofbthe powerJul 2, 2016. TOAA vs Johnny would require more context for a battle though. The "Nuh-uh, Presence is not omnipotent. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. ago. He was initially depicted. Also Beyonder could do pretty much anything while Lord of Nightmare does not have any feats. 12 years ago. There's no way to be better than that, regardless of what Suggsverse tells you. This would be a contradiction, as the only infinity existing in marvelverse with no equal is TOAA. @professorrespect said: @chris2kzombieki said:Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. Scenario: Through the miracle of TOAA, Living Tribunal summoned the most powerful army in the existence of Marvel to fight the entire race of Beyonders outside Marvel-verse. Azathoth solos. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. ( Im the TS) The beyonder will fight every comic character other than TOAA and the Presence@kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. TOAA's weakest Avatar was defeated and absorbed by a version of Thanos in his Astral Regulator form while the Beyonder was retconned for being too powerful. Spiderman Cosmic Comic 8. 5 characters that can beat that living tribunal,marvel characters who can defeat the living tribunal,4 characters that can defeat celestials,5 marvel cosmic. Omnipotence is a fancy title at best. Hajun via feats and implied power. Beyonder was just a very much younger and less evolved TOAA, so Marvel's TOAA might have it on experience and being around more and his knowledge in himself, which is where Beyonder lacked, as he. Forum Posts. 2. TLT is a servant of TOAA and is below TOAA in terms of power, TLT is able to turn off the infinity gauntlet in the hands of Adam Warlock and beat people like Protoge with a little help from Scathan, judge people like Beyonder, etc and is above people like Eternity, Infinity who are above people like Galactus or Odin who are above space, time. • 7 mo. ago Almighty wins against Beyonder and Oblivion. TOAA mops the floor with these two. Retconed Beyonder. Forum Posts. Forum Posts. He is the most powerful being in the Marvel Multiverse. @professorrespect said: @chris2kzombieki said: Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. FAA could stalemate EGDB and (PR) Beyonder, 1v1. Didnt the latest showing of TOAA makes it clear that HOTU was a small portion of TOAA's power? I say the Beyonder still wins, only TOAA can defeat him. Beyonder might have more impressive feats. Beyonder vs Everyone else in Marvel . The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. Now, Beyonder doesn't work like that, and is more ore less considered TOAA level, not above, but about the closest thing you could get to TOAA without being TOAA. vs. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. 3. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is probably here as well. All traits of a character are used for calculating the Classification. What I given I can take away, so: Richard Reeds and Sue Storm can take away Franklin Richards power. I think the idea. Meaning he became everything and everyone. Also, Spectre is supposed to be the avatar of the Presence an gets owned often. First it introduced us to the Avengers Infinity stones saga, which ended with Avengers Endgame and now i. This being, LT is the physical representation of the Will of God, nothing. Forum Posts. NULL_Terrorist. 0. 56 results. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. Zeus (mythoology) vs The One Above All. Thanos would be able to overpower Cosmic Entities like the Beyonder and, on top of that, Thanos is more used to using power on this scale than Doom. . Scathan beat Protege and that had to have been from an outside Amp from TOAA based on her copying the LT. PR Beyonder, TOAA. Beyonder was the sum power of a multiverse, which still resides within a greater omniverse that Wanda's spell began to collapse. s. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity. Boobster. Beyonder was the sum power of a multiverse, which still resides within a greater omniverse that Wanda's spell began to collapse. No . Both are in character. Minor nitpick. Well the Beyonder is infinite dimensional as well. Hulk wins, he keeps getting madder and stronger and than thunderclaps the one above all and TOAA only wishes he could negate that dreadful healing factor plus the Hulk can jump really high up in. PR beyonder can take all and stalemate with TOAA. Beyonder, if not. 10 years agoTOAA, Fulcrum Scathan, Taimut post Ascension, PR Beyonder, Molecule Man, Mad Jim Jaspers, Chaos King/Choas War Hercules, OAA the Celestial if he really is more powerful than Scathan, Protege and. [deleted] • 8 yr. zold5 • 1 yr. Beyonder for the curbstomp. Comics Explained thinks that The Lost One is more powerful than the Enigma, but the Enigma seems to be an end-all kind of threat whereas the Lost One seems to be a Beyonder-Hunter kind. Yasin Rap said: The one above all is not included, but pre-retcon Beyonder & the whole Beyonder race is. Due to the fact that he is an agent of TOAA (basically god), The Living Tribunal is more powerful than any other entity, including PRB. ' beyonder is millions of times more powerful thsn LT, TOAA, Fulcrum and every other Marvel guy combined. The beyonders as a race are generally pathetic compared to the Beyonder also, it took a bunch for them to beat LT while PRB was millions of times stronger than him even weakened. Author has 139 answers and 136K answer views 3 y. Bonus round: Chousins vs pre-retcon beyonder . 8 years ago. the same Molecule Man that trapped the Omniverse in a box. But despite the immense power, the chasm between The Living Tribunal and TOAA is infinite. Same goes for Jean's human parents. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. 3 years ago. so any one of then can easily defeat beyonder without even. Wiki Points. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. and MoM = ToAA both are supreme gods of respective omniverses. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. She/Her. 8 years ago.